Mod "Rus 13-century"

[Jek]

Barudokuku, thank you for the pic, but this gambeson for 14-15 century, we need something like this type of armor, but for beginning of 13 century.
About names: can you please give the polish names for all troops?
Some comments:
Village troops is a non-professional troops, starts from peasants and then divided to light footmen and archers
Town troops is a non-professional and half-professional troops
Castle troops are:
1) Non-noble (non-knights) professional  troops (light horsman, heavy horsman)
2) Knighs. Starts from young noble (squire), than up to noble (knights) and then to someone like "elite_noble" (elite_knights)

So, can you or someone else give the names to polish troops?
And pics with helmets and "non-mail" armor are still welcome:)

[Blizbor]

About names: can you please give the polish names for all troops?

I think, that it should be like this, but my knowledge in this matter isn't very good (Polish names for troops are red coloured):

Village troop tree:
Pesant (Chłop) ---- footman (Chłopski Piechur) ------- veteran_footman (Chłopski Piechur Weteran or Doświadczony Chłopski Piechur)
                                                  --------- archer (Chłopski Łucznik)

Town troop tree:
militia (Milicjant Miejski)------watchman (Strażnik Miejski)--------town_infantry (Piechur or Miejski Piechur)-------town_horseman (Konny or Miejski Konny)
                           ---------crossbowman (Kusznik)-------mounted_crossbowman (Konny Kusznik)

Castle troop tree:
zhovnir (Żołnierz)-----------------------------------heyduck\ochroniarzem (Zbrojny)
young_noble (Młody Szlachcic or Giermek)-----------noble (Szlachcic or Rycerz) ---------------------------elite_noble (Szlachcic Weteran or Rycerz Weteran)

Although I would suggest not to use terms like noble (szlachcic), because in XIII century Poland there weren't nobility yet - knighthood (stan rycerski) more likely and that is something that was a little different than later nobility. But again - I'm not an expert, so I would be grateful if someone with better knowledge than mine correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. Good luck with your mod mate. I really liked the screenshots on the mod website - excellent work :)

P.S. 2 Witam serdecznie brać forumową :)

[Mat Berserker]

Everything bot not that Medieval 2: Total War mounted crospowmans :/ Liberum Veto.

[Barudokuku]

Barudokuku, thank you for the pic, but this gambeson for 14-15 century, we need something like this type of armor, but for beginning of 13 century.

My fail, sorry. I'm 'made' for Grunwald time, I forgot it's not XV century mod. ;-)

Blizbor, IMO few of your names aren't really done well. Mine list:

Village troop tree:
Peasant (Chłop) ---- Footman (Chłopski Piechur) ------- Veteran_Footman (Doświadczony Piechur)
                                                                  ------- Archer (Myśliwy) *

Town troop tree:
Militia (Milicjant)------Watchman (Strażnik)--------Town_Infantry (Piechur)-------Town_Horseman (Konny) *
                     ------Crossbowman (Kusznik)-----Mounted_Crossbowman (Konny Kusznik) ***

Castle troop tree:
Zhovnir (Żołnierz)-----------------------------------Heyduck\Ochroniarzem (Zbrojny)


Young_Noble (Giermek)-----------Noble (Rycerz) ---------------------------Elite_Noble (Rycerz Weteran or Elitarny Rycerz)

* - I really don't think that 'Archer' is a good name for village troop. Better should be 'Hunter' - and it's Myśliwy. If you really want Archer, it should be Strzelec or Łucznik.
** - Again, you should change name or even delete this troop. I really don't see use of horseman in town, where horse can't move well on streets. If you want to change name, delete 'Town-', because it 'hurts my eye'. ;-)
*** - Like up. And mounted crossbowman is hella unreal...

Giermek (Young Noble) should be footman, because mostly young nobles weren't using horses - only from noble. And names - it should be Young Knight, Knight and Elite Knight.

[Jek]

Blizbor, Barudokuku thanks for the names!

Question: Żołnierz and Zbrojny translated to english like "soldier" and "military". Why you give such names to light and heavy horsmen?

About mounted crossbowmen: I think/hope we made it like "horse-transpotable" crossbowmen

add:
And about "professional (non-knights) light and heavy horsmen": we gave the names "Zhovnir" and "Heyduck" for them. You recomend "soldier" and "military". What (specialy historic) names are exist/better for this type of troops?

[Barudokuku]

'Zbrojny' isn't 'military', your translator is bad. Anyway, I was thinking zhovnir is footman. If he isn't, he can be just 'zwiadowca', what means 'observator'.

[Jek]

I've just thinking how to better call light and heavy horsman. The first variant was "Zhovnir" and "Heyduck", but they may be isn't correct for such type of troops. I can call them just "Lekki jeździec" and "Ciężki jeździec", but It's just simple english-poland translation of light and heavy horsman. I'm looking for more "historical" names.

Do you have any ideas? You say "zwiadowca" - is it "historical" name of light horsman?
What about heavy horsman?

[Barudokuku]

'Zwiadowca' isn't historical name. Historical was 'Lekka jazda', which can be translated on 'Light ride'.

Heavy historical is 'Ciężka jazda'.

[Blizbor]

Blizbor, Barudokuku thanks for the names!

Question: Żołnierz and Zbrojny translated to english like "soldier" and "military". Why you give such names to light and heavy horsmen?

Hmm, I thought that those troops would be infantry units, since I thought that one branch of castle units you plan to make as infantry and the other - horsemen :) Because units from villages and towns should be more like called-to-arms units (not so well armed - especially pesant units) and units from castles - a profesional army type.

About mounted crossbowmen: I think/hope we made it like "horse-transpotable" crossbowmen

Well, in M&B such thing wouldn't make much sense ;)

And about "professional (non-knights) light and heavy horsmen": we gave the names "Zhovnir" and "Heyduck" for them. You recomend "soldier" and "military". What (specialy historic) names are exist/better for this type of troops?

Hmm, as for light horsemen - I dont think that Poland had a profesional light horsemen in XIII century (it would be better if the Town Horsemen would be the Polish light horsemen unit), but as for heavy horseman they were knights. "Soldier" was meant to be given to infantry, because i thought that by "zhovnir" and "heyduk" you meant infantry units :)

'Zbrojny' isn't 'military', your translator is bad. Anyway, I was thinking zhovnir is footman. If he isn't, he can be just 'zwiadowca', what means 'observator'.

"Zwiadowca" means "scout", not "observator" ;)

[Barudokuku]

"Zwiadowca" means "scout", not "observator" ;)

Yes, thanks. I forgot word, so I wrote another version. ;-)

Hmm, as for light horsemen - I dont think that Poland had a profesional light horsemen in XIII century (...) .

We can say, that knights were proffesional horsemen. But yes, not from noble units there was really small amount of horsemen.

[Kąbiner]

Edit

Nazywa się Rus - 13 century i jest on chyba o Krzyżakach,Polsce,Rusi i Litwie(choć głównie o rusi) .

Strona o modzie:

http://russia13.rusmnb.com/about-eng.htm

Mod:

http://www.mbrepository.com/modules/PDdownloads/singlefile.php?cid=7&lid=1445

[Xarxes]

Ja tam wole poczekać na WEMW zamiast na to.

[Kąbiner]

Ja tam wole poczekać na WEMW zamiast na to.

Co to za mod to WEMW?

[Mannerheim]

Co to za mod to WEMW?

"Where East meets West".

[Archimonde]

Morze ściągnę w oczekiwaniu na WEMW.A na obrazku jest polski rycerz.