Mod "Rus 13-century"

[Papierek]

Well this could be helpful:
 Maciejowski Bible - it was written around 1250 - you can see there basic clothing, armour ( knights and infantry as well ) that western europe used in that time, so do Poland.
link: http://www.medievaltymes.com/courtyard/maciejowski_images.htm
few helmets:
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7695/nasal1bz4.jpg - nasal helmet (13th century)
http://www.platnerz.za.pl/WYROBY/HELMY/18GARNCZKOWYwz5/slides/3.html - great helmet ( first half of 13th  century)
http://www.platnerz.za.pl/WYROBY/HELMY/14GARNCZKOWYwz4/slides/2.html - another one ( first half of 13th century)
http://www.platnerz.za.pl/WYROBY/HELMY/6KAPALINwz1/slides/2.html - kettle hat helmet ( used by infantry 13 th century)

I agree - ospray`s draws aren`t good historical source - they have many fiction things in it.
As for Poland in 13th century hmmmm..... yes that`s true -  it was divided in several principalitys witch sometimes fought with each other and sometimes cooperate. Mostly we had weapons and armour from the west, Mazovia region had some influence from the east. I`m sory for my English and I hope i could help:)

oh and If you need something about how castles were build in that period I could be a little help:)

[Zawisza Czarny z Garbowa]

Husaria created in Poland at  start of XIV century
In poland crossbows appear at XII century and abundance at XIII
Well someone crossbow shooters can be :)
IMPORTANT
In 1226 polish king Konrad Mazowiecki call Crusaders.

[Papierek]

Well.... Konrad Mazowiecki wasn`t polish king..he was prince of Kujawy and Mazowsze region
Husaria was created in Poland at the beginning of 16th century
 
Crossbow shooters - that`s a good idea to use them at that period:) You could also add mounted crossbows - it is much more historic than javelin throwers I think.

oh and here you have how polish caltles looked in 13th century. Maybe you could use them in your mod:) :
http://www.rzeczpospolita.pl/wirtualnepodroze/ - this is Piast castle in Legnica build in around 1230 ( it was started to build)
http://wroclaw.hydral.com.pl/69591,foto.html - castle in Wrocław rekonstruction from first half of the 13th century
Remember: in the beginning of the 13th century polish castles were build wth stone and wood. The chapel, towers and palatium (building were prince lived) were build with stone. rest of the buildings were wood along with walls. Those castles were build by princes:)
in some regions you can see in the end of 13th century castles build all with stone or even brick, but you want the beginning of 13th century so I won`t write about it:)

[Zawisza Czarny z Garbowa]

Ehh, not, husaria in poland begining work in poland in 14th century (seym call to life husaria in 1503). Battle of Orsza in 1514- great victory of polish husaria.  Konrad Mazowiecki- sorry, my bad.
But husaria isn't important in this mod.

http://www.freha.pl/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=15164   --> sample axes

PS. In table two, someone of models can be to old

[Papierek]

some chainmails (hauberks)

http://www.freha.pl/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=2855

You can also put these type of knights:
http://www.1186-583.org/IMG/jpg/lt_img_0256_int.jpg   it is end of the 12 century but that type of armour were poplar in 13th century in Poland as well
proof:
http://www.poczet.com/grafika/Brodaty-sfr.gif  sigil of a Polish prince Henryk Brodaty 13th century

[PWL]

For example:
Osprey "Medieval Polish Armies" http://www.3ebooks.com/Osprey-Men-At-Arms-Series-445_2765.html

If you haven't got it already: http://www.filefactory.com/file/3d67cf/n/Osprey_-_Men_at_Arms_445_-_Polish_medieval_armies_966-1500_pdf

Wish you luck!

[wujek_bulus]

Read this book, maybe u find in p2p :

A. Nadolski - Broń i strój rycerstwa polskiego w średniowieczu
Studia nad uzbrojeniem Polskim X,XI,XIIw-A.Nadolski
Uzbrojenie średniowieczne w Polsce (na tle środkowoeuropejskim) A.Nowakowski
A. Nadolski - Plemieta - Sredniowieczny grodek w ziemi chelminskiej

Odnośnie europejskiego uzbrojenia, mozemy z pewnością powiedzieć jedynie o mazowszu.

[Kowal]

Ehh, not, husaria in poland begining work in poland in 14th century (seym call to life husaria in 1503). Battle of Orsza in 1514- great victory of polish husaria.

A rok 1503 to który wiek za przeproszeniem waszmości ??? Jeśli 14 ( XIV ) tak jak wspomniałeś w cytacie to po prostu gratuluję ...
Zanim napiszesz coś ( szczególnie udzielając pomocy osobie prawdopodobnie mniej obeznanej z tematem ) to wypadałoby się nieco ogarnąć i zwrócić uwagę na to co się pisze.

Do modków: Sorry za offtop, ale jak się widzi takiego "byka" a jego autor upiera się przy swoim pomimo korekty:
Papierek:

Husaria was created in Poland at the beginning of 16th century

no to po prostu żal ściska to i owo.

[Dzumol]

In 13th century polish armys using big pavise andchainmails.

[Barudokuku]

Well, I've registered on this forum after I saw this topic. Ok, no more offtop...

Firstly. Mounted crossbowmen? Not in Poland, really. By the way, you should look for knight brotherhoods in Poland from XIII century - there is really much of them!

http://www.bagrit.pl/bractwa/bractwa.php?lg=en - here you can find almost every brotherhood from Poland. Simply tick XIII century

http://gorg.i365.pl/galeria/ - gallery from much partys et cetera from XIII century. Really, it's good for it!

Other. Javelins? Never.

Normal knight with horse had shield almond (tear?), full chainmail, great helmet, mostly lance and one handed or hand-and-a-half sword (second only if he was really strong, because mostly they weren't able to use both shield and hand-and-a-half). His horse wasn't armored, no chainmail et cetera; only sometimes he had armored head. Mostly anyway he had his rider's heraldic sign on himself.

Ah, and as somebody up from me said - there wasn't Poland. There were much 'mini-countries', like Mazowsze.

EDIT:

There weren't archers on horses, not really, it was very rarely seen in any countries army. Like half of army it was medium cavalry. Don't forget about soldiers on-foot, anyway; we hadn't or had very small amount of crossbowmen!

I am sorry for my big mistake! Just a second ago I saw an old image on which anybody can see crossbowmen shooting from castle. They were in light armour - chain helmet and gambeson (Papierek, thanks for translation, I really wasn't able to find that in Uncles' Google ;-) ). But still - no mounted crossbowmen!

[Papierek]

Well also my mistake about mounted crossbows ;p sorry. "Przeszywanica" in english is Aketon or Gambeson or Padded Jacket if you want to know:)
 
relief from 1210
http://www.freha.pl/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=7854

[Jek]

Thank's for all of you for materials and advices!
So, there is the troop tree, that we have now:

Village troop tree:
Pesant (Chłop) ---- footman (Kmet) ------- veteran_footman (tarczownic)
                                                  --------- archer (piechota strzelcza)

Town troop tree:
militia------watchman--------town_infantry-------town_horseman
                           ---------crossbowman-------mounted_crossbowman

Castle troop tree:
zhovnir (light horsman)-----------------------------------heyduck\ochroniarzem (heavy horseman)
young_noble-----------noble ---------------------------elite_noble

We include mounted_crossbowman, because:
1) crossbow was more popular, than bow in this period
2) balance: in case, if we present Poland as a strong "cavalary" country, It shood had some disadvantages - poor ranged forces (mounted_crossbowman can use only light crossbows)

But this is still under discussions, so your comments are welcome;)

Now we have a lot of information about how Polish knighs were look like, but  not enough information about "non-knights" troops.
So, I  extremely ask you to put here any information regarding this:
- simple helmets for "light" and "medium" type troops (Kmet, tarczownic, town_infantry, zhovnir ect.)
- "non-mail" armor for "light" and "medium" type troops

[Jek]

Some helmets for Poland...

[Jek]

and another one...

[Barudokuku]

Really, dear Jek, IMO it should be really better to not to make any mounted crossbowman. ;-)

First helmet isn't really good. Fifth looks rather German than Polish. Seventh... Well, IMO it isn't good for 13th century.

'Kmet' is probably from Czech or Slovak. In Polish it should be 'Kmieć'. Again - 'tarczownic' is 'tarczownik'. Better word for 'archer' is 'strzelec' or 'łucznik'.

Zhovnir? I've never heard anything about this word - again, probably it's Czech or Slovak word. 'Lekki jeździec' is Polish 'light horseman'. 'Heavy horseman' = 'Ciężki jeździec', but probably it could be 'Ciężki rycerz', ew. 'Konny rycerz' ('Heavy knight' and 'Mounted knight').

http://allegro.pl/item575510803_przeszywanica_sredniowieczna.html - gambeson (click image. In few months this link will expire, so look out!)

Ah, medium type troops were wearing half or even full mail (under this ALWAYS gambeson... But this was normal in this time).